Vice Presidential Profiles: Hillary Clinton (Sen-NY)

This is the twelfth and final entry in our series of profiles regarding Barack Obama's most likely candidates for the vice presidential nomination.  You can view our previous entires here.  Come back next week as we take a detailed look at the possible candidates for an Obama cabinet.  Your favorite candidates that did not appear in our two week long series here, may very well show up in our cabinet profiles.  Tomorrow I will boil down all that we have learned and make my predictions.  Don't forget to vote in our poll.

Hillary Clinton: former first lady and current senator from New York.  Is she on Obama's short list?  Frankly, none of us know, but given how close she managed to keep this primary season, and the fervency of her supporters, no list of possible vice presidential candidates is complete without her.  George Stephanopoulos described an Obama/Clinton pairing as "a dream ticket."  But many Obama supporters consider it a nightmare.  Before we render judgment, let's look at the strengths she brings to an Obama campaign, as well as those qualities which cause us deep concern.

Sen. Clinton came into office in 2000, besting her opponent Rick Lazio by twelve points (55-43).  She gained support between her first election and her re-election in 2006, which she won by more than thirty points.   In her time in office, Clinton has built solid constituencies, gaining the approval of 68% of Hispanic voters according to an April SUSA poll.  She also polls strongly among women of whom better than 60% support her.  Her standings among various political ideologies underscores Hillarys negatives: she recieves only 33% support among conservatives, while splitting independents (50 percent approval vs. 48 percent disapporval), and receiving 59% of moderates.  She has the highest negatives of any candidate in the race with 40% of voters disapproving of her.

The argument most commonly made against her negatives is that after eight years as First Lady and eight years as senator, Hillary Clinton's negatives are as high as they will ever be.  Given just how high they are, I'm not going to dispute this.  Moving forward, she polls better than Obama in Pennsylvania and Ohio, where Obama is statically tied with McCain.  She leads by roughly ten ponts in both Pennsylvania and Ohio, though she loses by about the same margin in Virginia.  In Virginia, Obama performs better than Clinton while still losing to McCain.

Needless to say, Clinton is strong on nearly every issue a progressive might care about.  She supports lifting the ban on stem cell research in order to allow scientists to find new cures for devestating diseases.  She supports programs which encourage adoption over abortion.  She voted no on an amendment to ban flag burning.  Regarding crime, she believes mandatory sentence laws have been used too often and are detrimental to the pursuit of true justice.  She believes in a cap-and-trade system to control pollution.  I personally favor a simple tax system on emissions, which the CBO has demonstrated are far more effective at reducing pollution, but Clinton's proposal for a $5 billion investment in alternative energy is nothing to scoff at.

So, what are the negatives of a Clinton vice presidency?  First, it's difficult to imagine her taking a back seat to an Obama adminstration, especialy considering that there would be a former president by her side.  She does gain the support of women and Hispanics, but there may be another candidate who can perform just as well in these demographics (see Janet Napolitano, Brian Schweitzer, and Bill Richardson).  At times, she has suggested that Obama has yet to reach the threshold for the presidency.

Given the closeness of this primary, Clinton offers an Obama ticket enormous advantages.  She's popular among working class whites, especially those living in the Appalachian mountains.  She has the advantages of putting Ohio and Pennsylvania well within Obama's grasp.  While nearly a third of her supporters claim they will vote for McCain should Clinton not appear on the ticket, it's likely that the current primary race is causing Clinton supporters to voice support for McCain.  History suggests that they will not follow through on their threats in November. A substantial number of McCain voters claimed they wouldn't vote for Bush in the 2000 election, but their threats did not come to pass.

While Hillary Clinton looks good to those who wish to see a "unity ticket," Obama also must select a vice president who can be counted on to support his campaign and his message.  Despite Clinton's strengths on most progressive issues, it is difficult to imagine she has the discipline to fall in line behind an Obama campaign.  Moreover, her refusal to admit any mistake regarding her votes on the Iraq war cuts against Obama's theme of judgment.  It is difficult for me to imagine Obama selecting a candidate who not only voted to authorize the use of military force against, but has since refused to admit the failings of their decision.  I believe Clinton will make a concerted effort on Obama's behalf this fall, but it will be as a surrogate, not as a vice president.



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by Big Blue on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:30:17 AM EST

Good job (none / 0)

I take exception only to your premise that Hillary has refused to acknowledge that her Iraq vote was a mistake. Her position has been that she voted as best she could at the time-- and reluctantly-- and she takes responsibility for it. She has stated many times (rather torturously) that she would not vote the same way today, and in one of the debates with Tim Russert as host said she would take that vote back if she could.

So though she will not come right out and say she's sorry for that vote (I really don't understand why), she has made it quite clear that in fact she regrets it.

Having said that, I will now go back and read your other VP analyses. And I will give you a rec.


by Swedie on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:18:16 AM EST
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Re: : Hillary Clinton (Sen-NY) (none / 0)

A nice effort in many ways, and your work on profiling so many of the candidates is appreciated.

However, I think you're wrong when you say that Hillary doesn't know how to take a back seat and keep in line.  She did it with Bill for years.  It must have required amazing discipline, given that there are a number of areas they disagree on quite strongly.

And when she reached the Senate, she was a work horse, not a show horse. She pitched in to help and do what needed to be done.

I'll quote Sen. Bernie Sanders (Socialist VT) here.  When asked by Thom Hartmann which of the two candidates he endorsed, he refused to say, because he is not a Democrat.  However, when a caller to the show invited Bernie to excoriate Clinton for something, he said (paraphrasing) Here's all I'll say.  If anyone tells you that Senator Clinton is not extremely intelligent and extremely hard working, they're wrong.

If Obama does not choose her because of the reasons you cited, it would be a shame, because I don't think they're valid.  Of course, he may have other reasons.

And as to her vote, the previous commenter has covered it.  But you need to understand that a Senator representing NY couldn't possibly cast a vote that would be interpreted as being soft on the terrorists in that time frame.  The ashes were still warm at the WTC.  

I lived in upstate NY for a while.  For 4 years she was my Senator, and I deeply respected the fact that she did what Democratic state wide candidates just don't do--go upstate and listen to the farmers and the Republicans, understand the intricacies of the Farm Bill and the Milk Bill.  This is why upstate NY did what they almost never do-vote for a Democrat in a statewide election, when she ran for reelection.  In fact, what she learned in Arkansas and upstate NY is what I credit as being the reason she connects well with rural people today.


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by LIsoundview on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:49:11 AM EST

I have to agree with LIsoundview. (none / 0)

She was an effective advocate for husband and I think she is capable of falling in line and working with Obama.

But I don't think she wants to.  She wants to be independent and set her own agenda.  If she is offered the VP, I really don't expect her to accept it.  Frankly, I would be shocked.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Thu May 29, 2008 at 08:17:28 AM EST


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